tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post3857730438227727791..comments2024-03-18T10:22:00.293+00:00Comments on Shepherd's blog: Lousy sheepTarset Shepherdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11803425181574301072noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-72437798306868679232011-02-21T20:19:41.558+00:002011-02-21T20:19:41.558+00:00Interesting stuff Kev, those links were great - bo...Interesting stuff Kev, those links were great - boiled tobacco, arsenic!!! you're right, whatever you used in NZ it would be deadly!!<br /><br />Wonder what folks used over here before coopers dip was introduced from NZ? must try and find out. Do know they used to dose hoggs with pig shite (at least there is a song says so!)<br /><br />Clive has been in touch but I'll quiz him further, says there is a resistancy building up same as the doses, we have trouble with dose over here and likelies the same with the pour ons too.<br /><br />Anyhow, fascinating stuff. Thank youTarset Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803425181574301072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-8725292910901091102011-02-19T03:47:28.615+00:002011-02-19T03:47:28.615+00:00Take a look at this http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/di...Take a look at this http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/diseases-of-sheep-cattle-and-deer/2 and this http://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/theme.aspx?irn=1460Kevthefarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119504308538393274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-49956613824730292612011-02-19T03:27:07.425+00:002011-02-19T03:27:07.425+00:00Well I don't really know if we never had scab ...Well I don't really know if we never had scab here or if it was eliminated but we certainly don't have it now. My feeling is that the SP doesn't give full elimination, but that it does give effective control. apparently it works best when applied late summer/ early winter as at that time the wool is still short enough to use the lower dose (this stuff is not cheap) but the twenty week protection it gives gets you through the winter "peak lice" period.<br /> Just down the road from me there is an old Landcorp (government farm) sheepyard built in the 1950's, pretty derelict now but a couple of uss small-block farmers still use it. it incorporates a kind of circular race that has a sort of spraybar carousel above it. The sheep would be put through in batches for a prescribed number of minutes I would guess. I don't know what chemicals were used but knowing NZ it would be something fairly deadly. I'm sure Clive Dalton would have all the detail's at his fingertips. -C'mon Clive - let's hear from you.....Kevthefarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119504308538393274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-40117365597562716962011-02-18T22:07:58.077+00:002011-02-18T22:07:58.077+00:00Hi Kev, I'm back again. I have just done some ...Hi Kev, I'm back again. I have just done some of that wonderful googling and found that your pour ons are SP's the same as ours. NZ has a new one on the market which is quite a bit dearer to use should there be a resistancy to the SP's. Wonder if that is the trouble in this country or whether these pour ons just don't manage a 100% kill? There is no doubt those who dip don't get lice so the pour ons muxtn't be 100% unless us in this country aren't using them correctly eg; off shears.<br /><br />What is your take on this?Tarset Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803425181574301072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-84079741075288755072011-02-18T21:41:47.213+00:002011-02-18T21:41:47.213+00:00Interesting! Lice in New Zealand too. Do you have ...Interesting! Lice in New Zealand too. Do you have a problem with scab out there or have you managed to keep it away from your shores?<br /><br />Do you dip or apply pour ons off shears? just the Aussie websites suggest backliners being applied off shears would resolve the problem, it would seem the pour ons in this country don't give a total kill (but then it is rarely applied off shears) or else there are other factors as to why lice keep re appearing every winter.<br /><br />You're right mind, the inadequate flushing may well have been a factor with the lambing % but that is quite a drop in lamb numbers, the lice may well have contributed to the lack of lambs.<br /><br />You're also right that the pour ons do take a while to work on heavy coated sheep. We have the choice of Crovect, spot on and dysect in this country, they all seem pretty similar (different chemicals I believe) but I've never had the opportunity to run an experiment to see if any work any quicker or are more effective. Feedback off the ground is they all seem pretty similar.Tarset Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803425181574301072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035229653176037553.post-91344313131472792752011-02-18T20:52:33.432+00:002011-02-18T20:52:33.432+00:00We had runaway lice problems in our small flock he...We had runaway lice problems in our small flock here in NZ last winter for the first time. Due to a shortness of grass following a failure of the autumn flush because of drought, we folded using electric nets and moved them onto new grass every day with supplementary feeding. Maybe because they were so packed, one per 10sq.m. or nowhere to rub. Wipe-out takes a long time to work on sheep in full mid-winter fleece and the dose-rate is higher than for recently shorn. Our lambing % was down from our usual 180% -190% to just over 140% despite other factors being similiar, though inadequate flushing because of the drought could have been a factor. This year we will treat them as the tups go in.Kevthefarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119504308538393274noreply@blogger.com